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Dragunov
Tinkerer
Username: Dragunov
Post Number: 96
Registered: 10-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 09:32 pm: | 
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so, I finally got that $20 (not 11) Kiev from Keh.com (finally because I put the order in in early June! arrgh!) and got to cracking it open today. now that the shutter is out, the bafflement begins. shutter release is creepy (sorry for firearms terminology), changing speeds is really stiff, slow speeds are too slow, and 'B' results in a slow open followed by a sloooow close. any tips on shutter overhauls? how do I get the slow speeds out so I can clean them? do I really need to ultrasonically clean everything?(maybe no, but it sounds like a good idea anyways)
and I finally got that ME super fixed today. yay.
cheers,
Dragunov |
Msiegel
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Username: Msiegel
Post Number: 43
Registered: 03-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 - 03:09 am: |
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You might want to have a look at this site (if you don't it already)
http://www3.telus.net/public/rpnchbck/
Refers to Kiev 4 |
Dragunov
Tinkerer
Username: Dragunov
Post Number: 97
Registered: 10-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 - 09:16 pm: |
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seen it... that's how I cracked it open, actually.
to be precise, I need instructions for further disassembly of the shutter. IIRC it says in Rick's article about the shutter and how it functions that the shutter is modular. well, if it is, it sure isn't obvious.
oh, and where is my 1 second setting? (involves the self timer, but I don't know any more than that) |
Dirbel
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Username: Dirbel
Post Number: 6
Registered: 04-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 11:02 am: |
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To get 1 second, set the shutter to 'B' and wind the self timer.
If you look at the shutter module from behind, the slow speed timer is on the lower right of the shutter module. No need for further disassembly if you just want to clean it.
ciao,
Dirk |
Dragunov
Tinkerer
Username: Dragunov
Post Number: 98
Registered: 10-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 08:37 pm: |
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uhh... doesn't seem like it. I want to get it out so I can completely clean it. some of the wind gears look clean, but underneath are really gummed up (as to be expected in a 44 year old camera). i'd expect the slow speed escapement to be similar... and hey, better to be safe.
about B... is it slow open and slow close, or is it snappy? mine takes its time...
and how do you get the film advance sprocket out? I removed a bunch of things, but haven't figured it out yet. |
Rick_oleson
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Username: Rick_oleson
Post Number: 678
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 09:25 pm: |
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Slow speeds and B run S L O W in that shutter. When I got my first one I assumed something was wrong with it, but that is normal behavior in the Contax/Kiev.
Dirbel's description of the 1 second speed is correct: set to B, release with the self timer.
Why do you want to remove the film sprocket? |
Dragunov
Tinkerer
Username: Dragunov
Post Number: 100
Registered: 10-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 08:19 pm: |
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well, my slow speeds are S L O W E R. the 1/2 setting is like 2 seconds. and B upon closing moves slowly for 1/3 of the frame, than snaps to a shut. huh.
well, I found out how to remove the metal plate in front of the shutter, so I don't need to anymore. but I DO need to know the best way to clean or remove the slow speed(s) from there. take 'em out or leave 'em in? from what I've seen, old soviet grease is not good 44 years later, so the oil must be poor too.
anyone? |
Rick_oleson
Tinkerer
Username: Rick_oleson
Post Number: 680
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 04:48 am: |
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If it's just the escapement gummed up, it's located on the right side of the shutter crate; you should be able to clean it up with lighter fluid even with the shutter still in place, by removing the film gate casting. You might find some rust to clean up too, or there might be something else going on. |
Dragunov
Tinkerer
Username: Dragunov
Post Number: 101
Registered: 10-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 18, 2008 - 09:07 pm: |
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well, I did remove the ...thing... it looks prettier now. no rust, no dust and not much otherwise. so I think the grease is gummed up.
so, do I just apply liberal amounts of lighter fluid, cycle it some more and...?
thanks! |
Glenn
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Username: Glenn
Post Number: 423
Registered: 07-2006
Rating: N/A
Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2008 - 03:14 am: |
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Just keep flushing out until the thing is clean. I flush out onto a sheet of filter/blotting paper, held in a rectangular funnel. This allows one to see when all the crap is dislodged, also it allows me to recycle the solvent for other less critical cleaning jobs. Not a big deal I know, but the reclaimed solvent is very useful for the initial flush on really dirty equipment.
Where immersion is possible, I find that a small ultrasonic cleaning bath very useful for shifting old grease and congealed oil. |
Dragunov
Tinkerer
Username: Dragunov
Post Number: 102
Registered: 10-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 19, 2008 - 08:06 pm: |
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but since it's still in the shutter... how do I lube it? (that's necessary, right?)
thanks |
