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Adrian
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Username: Adrian
Post Number: 11
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 09:04 am: | 
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Anyone know if Pliobond has an equivalent in the UK?
It doesn't seem to be easily available round here. I have a tube of Evostik, but don't know how similar that might be.
Adrian |
Davidritchie
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Username: Davidritchie
Post Number: 1
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, September 26, 2006 - 07:24 pm: |
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Adrian, Pliobond is a contact bond type of cement. It is made by several companies and one of the common uses is for bonding formica to a substrate such as you may have in your kitchen or bath.You apply it to both surfaces and when dry to the touch, you place the two surfaces together and you will not be able to move them after they touch. Thus,"contact bond". I do not know the names that you have in the UK, but another which comes to mind in the US is DAP or Weldwood. I suggest you go to a hardware store with this info and I'm sure they will know what you are asking for. Good luck. |
Steve_s
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Username: Steve_s
Post Number: 12
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 01:47 am: |
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Evostik is a contact adhesive, but not all contact adhesives are the same. In fact there are several varieties of Evostik. I did a Google search and found a data-sheet for Pliobond, which says it is synthetic rubber based, with a ketone solvent, which certainly is nothing like the usual hardware-shop type of Evostik. Whether Evostik is suitable for such purposes as replacing shutter curtains etc I don't know, but I am very doubtful.
By far the strongest contact adhesive I have found is Scotch-Grip 1357. I bought a tube at an autojumble a few years ago, but having used it all, I found that it too seems to be unobtainable in the UK. |
Davidritchie
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Username: Davidritchie
Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2006 - 07:19 am: |
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Adrian, Steve is correct about the composition of Pliobond. It is based upon a blend of synthetic rubber and a resin. The solvents are generally a blend including ketones depending upon the manufacturer.As noted earlier if you explain to the hardware shop what you are seeking, they should be able to help. |
Pete
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Username: Pete
Post Number: 2
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Thursday, September 28, 2006 - 01:41 pm: |
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You can get Pliobond mail-order from Micro-tools in Germany:
http://www.micro-tools.de/english.htm |
Steve_s
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Username: Steve_s
Post Number: 13
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 05:33 am: |
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Unfortunately Micro-tools' Euro prices and postage are excessive, and if you are in Europe they won't let you order from the US! |
Adrian
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Username: Adrian
Post Number: 12
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 08:16 am: |
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Thanks for all the suggestions, everyone. I'm about to email Micro-Tools and ask about the likely postage rate, as they do not appear to be able to ship it by air. If it is not too obscene I'll go with that, otherwise it'll be a trip to the building wholesalers.
It's for re-fixing bellows, by the way, rather than shutter curtains. Whether that makes a difference I don't know!
Adrian |
Rogprov
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Username: Rogprov
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 29, 2006 - 11:51 am: |
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Unfortunately for those in UK this is a US site - but quite interesting 
http://www.thistothat.com/
Roger |
Adrian
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Username: Adrian
Post Number: 13
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 08:42 am: |
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Getting closer - the smallest they sell is half a pint(!), but at that price if it is available in the UK...
http://www.ellsworth.com/display/productlisting.html?ProductLineID=12&VendorID=1 63&Tab=Products
Adrian |
Davidritchie
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Username: Davidritchie
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 01:34 pm: |
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Adrian, be careful. The vendor lists Pliobond 20 as a thermosetting adhesive requiring heat. This is NOT what you want. The Pliobond that you need is a contact bond adhesive based on polychloroprene and a resin in a solvent solution requiring no heat. Maybe the vendor also has the contact bond type. |
Adrian
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Username: Adrian
Post Number: 14
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 02:51 am: |
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Oh rats! This is the one the chap at DuPont suggested - good job you spotted that! I'll have to investigate further... I think they have three different sizes of the same product, but nothing else sharing the name.
Thanks for putting me right, could have been nasty!
Adrian |
Glenn
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Username: Glenn
Post Number: 75
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 12:17 pm: |
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Pliobond 20 is not 'thermosetting' in the UK definition of term. The product is a straight high solids - ketone based product. A read of the data sheets would indicate uses where heat application is just not possible - bonding non slip floor coverings, sealing drywall, sealing concrete and repairing car hoods (UK definition of hood) etc.It would appear the vendor is trying to indicate the product works by evapouration of the solvent and does not use an activator. Well that is my take on the information given - could be talking out my 'proverbial'.
If you are really stuck (pardon the pun) and do not want to use Micro-tools Europe - I do not find them expensive for those unobtainable items - call in at your local shoe repairer/cobblers and beg a little of his adhesive. If he knows his trade, he will have both single and two pack contact adhesives. Make sure you get the normal room temperature stuff, some repairers do use a genuine thermosetting/activated adhesive. |
Davidritchie
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Username: Davidritchie
Post Number: 5
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 05:21 pm: |
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Adrian and Glenn. Glad that Glenn has thrown some light on the subject. Contact bond cements based on chloroprene (neoprene) and a resin are sometimes mixed with an isocyanate in order to make a good bond in the shoe industry typically for sneakers. Bayer is, or was, the main supplier of this isocyanate. Adrian does not need a two part system, and the use of an isocyanate should be avoided because of toxicity. |
Steve_s
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Username: Steve_s
Post Number: 15
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 09:46 am: |
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I have been taking a closer look at the data sheet I mentioned http://www.handlaidtrack.com/pliobond.php which gives quite a lot of information, and I'm sure that Glenn is right in his interpretation, and that Pliobond 20 is the right stuff. It does work as a contact adhesive, though it can be used in other ways.
Other variants mentioned are Pliobond 30 and 40, but these seem to be high solids versions for highly porous materials. |
Adrian
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Username: Adrian
Post Number: 15
Registered: 08-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 09:21 am: |
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Looks like Microtools - this stuff is six dollars in the US. Here's the email I get about getting it in the UK...
"Thank you for your enquiry
Pricing for a 1/2 pt tins of Pliobond 20 would be approx £28.00 each
The price is so high because the material is highly flammable and needs to be
shipped in Haz packaging.
We would bring in on one of our consolidations otherwise the haz freight costs
could top £100
Regards"
Flamin' Nora!
Adrian |
Prasanna
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Username: Prasanna
Post Number: 12
Registered: 10-2009
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 06:49 am: |
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Years ago Pliobond used to make a Latex based adhesive in ether solution.It was flexible even after drying and bonding and the stuck parts could be peeled off without damage. Today, Pliobond makes so many varieties of adhesives, many of which dry hard, like "quick fix" cement. Better to avoid them for cameras. May look for rubber solution that is used to fix bi-cycle tube punctures. They are Latex or Butyl based. Regards, sp |
Norman
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Username: Norman
Post Number: 25
Registered: 03-2008
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 07:38 am: |
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How about Copydex? |
Glenn
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Username: Glenn
Post Number: 706
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 08:52 am: |
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If you are referring to the white latex based stuff, smelling strongly of ammonia - a definite NO! Very poor adhesion to non porous substrates and poor mechanical strength are just two problem areas, being water based does not help either. |
John_s
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Username: John_s
Post Number: 10
Registered: 07-2009
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 12:10 pm: |
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I have used silicone adhesive in this type of situation. You can even get it in black, it's the type of stuff used for sealing the edges of worktops etc but I've found it works well enough, given that it's not a contact adhesive and you have to find some way of holding the surfaces together while it sets, when it remains flexible. |
Farside
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Username: Farside
Post Number: 2
Registered: 09-2007
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 03:56 pm: |
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What about Sikaflex, used for car trim in the UK for years? Sticks like pikeys to a giro.
I don't see it in stock, but they often have or had it in. There are other adhesives available from here. http://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/c-304-adhesive.aspx |
Glenn
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Username: Glenn
Post Number: 717
Registered: 07-2006
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 05:11 pm: |
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Ah, good old Woolies, not dealt with them for a long time - litre cans last bloody ages! The Alpha Thixofix is an ideal adhesive for our purposes, although there are other products available in small (read much cheaper)tubes that have the 'moveable' property. Just remember, automotive adhesives generally withstand high temperatures better than the usual consumer items. Useful for those of us who throw the newly restored classic into the glovebox, usually when even the mercury is boiling!
I would be very wary of using silicone sealants on cameras as mentioned in a previous post, these products release acetic acid during the curing process and can cause corrosion problems. Even if corrosion is not considered to be a problem, cleaning off any excess can be no easy task. |
Foto_gaga
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Username: Foto_gaga
Post Number: 12
Registered: 02-2010
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2010 - 04:09 am: |
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Here is a source for the genuine PlioBond: http://www.jannsnetcraft.com/rod-building-epoxy/710503.aspx |
Big_mac_90
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Username: Big_mac_90
Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2011
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 08:20 am: |
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Ref.Pliobond availability. I ordered two 3oz bottles +a 1oz tube on Sunday 18 Sept.from Micro-Tools Europe,the order was delivered Wednesday
21 Sept. postage cost was 5,95euro.! Pretty good service I would say. |
